A post regarding “cheap” grace and the once saved, always saved doctrine

By J. Richard Duke

Be sure to go down and read under “Mark 10:17-21”  and John Bevere.  SEE ONE OF THE VERSES THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE BLOOD [SALVATION—BLOOD] IS REQUIRED BUT NOT SUFFICIENT.  SALVATION IS THE GOSPEL WITH JESUS AS SAVIOR.  BUT JESUS IS THE KING OF A KINGDOM AND IS SUPPOSED TO BE INSIDE US (COLOSSIANS 1:26-27), WHICH IS THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.   JESUS IS KING OF A KINGDOM (NOT THE SAVIOR OF A KINGDOM).  THE KINGDOM IS BREATH—NOT BLOOD—AND IT IS SPIRIT LIVING, NOT THE SOUL BEING SAVED.  TWO KINGDOMS EXIST:  THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND the kingdom of satan.

Also see John Bevere’s book.  (By the way, Bevere quotes three of Paul’s (Paul in the Bible) closest students and they said that once saved, always saved is a FALSE doctrine.)

Be sure you read Bonhoeffer below and John Bevere—Driven by Eternity.

 Sin in the Church  —  The Shock Letter

“If the Christians of two hundred years ago were among us today, you wouldn’t need me to tell you anything.”

“I am required to stand up and tell you all that I am telling you because your pastors won’t do it. Not can’t. Won’t.”

“Furthermore, our congregations are so full of this world that those pastors who try to teach the truth… well …they’re shouted down. Unfortunately, I haven’t run into all that many pastors who love the truth enough to try.”

“Pastors do not talk about sin.”

“They don’t teach separation from worldliness.”

“They parrot what they were taught in seminary.”

https://jrichardduke.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/sin-in-the-church/

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The Cost of Discipleship, by Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Cheap grace is the deadly enemy of our Church. We are fighting today for costly grace. Cheap grace means grace sold on the market like cheapjacks’ wares. The sacraments, the forgiveness of sin, and the consolations of religion are thrown away at cut prices. Grace is represented as the Church’s inexhaustible treasury, from which she showers blessings with generous hands, without asking questions or fixing limits. Grace without price; grace without cost! The essence of grace, we suppose, is that the account has been paid in advance; and, because it has been paid, everything can be had for nothing.…[45]

Cheap grace means grace is a doctrine, a principle, a system. It means forgiveness of sins proclaimed as a general truth, the love of God taught as the Christian ‘conception’ of God. An intellectual assent to that idea is held to be of itself sufficient to secure remission of sins…. In such a Church the world finds a cheap covering for its sins; no contrition is required, still less any real desire to be delivered from sin. Cheap grace therefore amounts to a denial of the living Word of God, in fact, a denial of the Incarnation of the Word of God.[45-46]

Cheap grace means the justification of sin without the justification of the sinner. Grace alone does everything they say, and so everything can remain as it was before. ‘All for sin could not atone.‘ Well, then, let the Christian live like the rest of the world, let him model himself on the world’s standards in every sphere of life, and not presumptuously aspire to live a different life under grace from his old life under sin….
Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.[47]

Costly grace is the treasure hidden in the field; for the sake of it a man’ will gladly go and self all that he has. It is the pearl of great price to buy which the merchant will sell all his goods. It is the kingly rule of Christ, for whose sake a man will pluck out the eye which causes him to stumble, it is the call of Jesus Christ at which the disciple leaves his nets and follows him.

Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock. Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: “ye were bought at a price,” and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us. Costly grace is the Incarnation of God.
Costly grace is the sanctuary of God; it has to be protected from the world, and not thrown to the dogs. It is therefore the living word, the Word of God, which he speaks as it pleases him. Costly grace confronts us as a gracious call to follow Jesus. It comes as a word of forgiveness to the broken spirit and the contrite heart. Grace is costly because it compels a man to submit to the yoke of Christ and follow him; it is grace because Jesus says: “My yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
On two separate occasions Peter received the call, “Follow me.” It was the first and last word Jesus spoke to his disciple (Mark 1.17; John 21.22). A whole life lies between these two calls. The first occasion was by the lake of Gennesareth, when Peter left his nets and his craft and followed Jesus at his word. The second occasion is when the Risen Lord finds him back again at his old trade. Once again it is by the lake of Gennesareth, and once again the call is: “Follow me.” Between the two calls lay a whole life of discipleship in the following of Christ. Half-way between them comes Peter’s confession, when he acknowledged Jesus as the Christ of God….[48]

This grace was certainly not self-bestowed. It was the grace of Christ himself, now prevailing upon the disciple to leave all and follow him, now working in him that confession which to the world must sound like the ultimate blasphemy, now inviting Peter to the supreme fellowship of martyrdom for the Lord he had denied, and thereby forgiving him all his sins. In the life of Peter grace and discipleship are inseparable. He had received the grace which costs.[49]
As Christianity spread, and the Church became more secularized, this realization of the costliness of grace gradually faded. The world was Christianized, and grace became its common property. It was to be had at low cost.[49]

https://jrichardduke.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/the-cost-of-discipleship-by-dietrich-bonhoeffer/

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Mark 10:17-21  –   READ THIS CAREFULLY!

17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?[HE DID NOT ASK WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED BECAUSE THE SOUL IS SAVED BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT MUST LIVE]

18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”[a]

20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.

JOHN BEVERE:

“If we die to our own lusts, agendas, and ambitions, then we will never have a conflict in obeying God.

Wow!  Did you see that?  This man came running to Jesus [Mark 10:21], knelt down, and fervently asked how to inherit eternal life…What desire!  What passion!  What enthusiasm!  Yet Jesus’ response to this seeker caused him to walk away sad and sorrowful. 

Can you imagine Jesus doing this today in our “seeker friendly” church culture?

We’ve taken the Cross out of salvation and offered its benefits.  Notice Jesus didn’t say to this upstanding citizen,  ‘All you have to do is believe in Me [in Me is the gospel, not the gospel of the Kingdom]; believe that I am the Savior, and you will receive what you seek—eternal life.’  No, He didn’t do what has become so common today because Jesus was well versed in eternal judgment and punishment: ‘His delight is in the fear of the Lord.”  (Isa. 11:3).

Driven by Eternity—Making Your Life Count Today & Forever, pp. 138-140 John Bevere

Philippians 3:17-19

17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Why are they enemies of the cross?  Because they are not applying the cross in their lives (Kingdom of God) but only believe in Christ’s cross (salvation and the gospel). 

The hidden mystery: Christ in you.  Salvation is our going into Christ—the gospel, which we can only believe by faith in His death, resurrection, His blood and cross for us.  We cannot work for salvation because that is legalism or self-righteousness.  BUT THE HIDDEN MYSTERY IS:  CHRIST IN YOU—See Colossians 1:27, below.  To make more and more room for the Christ and the Spirit, we must be denying the soul and taking up our cross and following Him; going through sanctification (being removed from the word; and the ecclesia or assembly of His people are those who are called out from the world—those being sanctified).  As you will see that many are called and predestined but few are chosen; and those who are “chosen” according to specific Bible verses are those going through sanctification.  There is much work and much effort in the Kingdom of God.  Denying the soul and taking up our cross and following Him is much work. And those who are belonging Christ are crucifying the flesh with its affections and lusts.  Galatians 5:24.  Is crucifying the flesh and the fleshly nature legalism or self-righteousness?  No, it is making more room for Christ in us.  This is the hidden mystery.—there are only two choices.  Work in the Kingdom is not legalism or self-righteousness.

Is denying the soul and taking up our cross legalism or self-righteousness.  No, this is the Kingdom of God where we are following a King and denying the soul and taking up our cross makes more and more room for Christ in us.  Is going through sanctification and exerting effort to be removed from the world systems legalism or self-righteousness?  No, this is the kingdom of God where we are making more room for Him in us.  The ecclesia are those called out from the world and the world system (the definition of sanctification), which may not include all people in the assembly.

Colossians 1:17-29

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Matthew 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom [not just the gospel of Jesus as Savior but also Jesus as King of His Kingdom] shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach [matheteuo]all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matheteuo means:

1) to be a disciple of one

1a) to follow his precepts and instructions

2) to make a disciple

2a) to teach, instruct

Who is a disciple?

John 8:31-32

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth [aletheia], and the truth [aletheia]  shall make you free.

Aletheia is knowing something that can set you free.  Example:  Peter found out he was self-righteous when he denied Christ three time.  With this fact (truth) he overcame self-righteousness and was set free.

John 13:35

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Revelation 17:14

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen [those going through sanctification—the gospel of the Kingdom, not the gospel], and faithful.

[Many are called but few are chosen]

Who is the thief who comes only to steal, kill and destroy?   And who is the hireling who leaves his sheep?

John 10:12-13

12 But he that is an hireling [misthotos], and not the shepherd, [a want to be shepherd] whose own the sheep are not [they are not his sheep], seeth the wolf coming [does not see the wolf], and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth [leaves those people who thought he was their sheep and he also flees]: and the wolf catcheth them [caught by the wolf —lukos], and scattereth the sheep [scatters the congregation].

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

misthotos

 

  • one hired, a hireling

Lukos means:

 

1) a wolf

2) metaph. of cruel, greedy, rapacious, destructive men

We have been told that John 10:10 refers to Satan—that he comes only to steal, kill and destroy.  But Satan or the devil is not the person referred to in John 10:10.  It is the shepherd—the head of an assembly [what we call a church, which is not really correct because we as the body are the church].  See below.

John 10:1-15

1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd [poimen]of the sheep.

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.  [see verse 2]

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief [kleptes] cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Poimen means:

1) a herdsman, esp. a shepherd

1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have

committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow

2) metaph.

2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly:

so of Christ the Head of the church

2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies

2a2) of kings and princes

Kleptes means:

1) an embezzler, pilferer

1a) the name is transferred to false teachers, who do not care to

instruct men, but abuse their confidence for their own gain

Galatians 2:21

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

One cannot earn righteousness.  This is the gospel where Jesus did it all as Savior.  Continue reading about Jesus as king of His Kingdom—the gospel of the Kingdom—where He is King, not Savior.

Romans 7:7-12

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The law is a diagnostic.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved [the soul—the gospel] through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast [this is the gospel—Jesus did it ALL—as Savior].

The soul is saved.  The soul and salvation are words of time—this age (time outside the realm of eternity).  The soul is in the blood.  Lev. 17:11.  These words are defined in the Greek and almost unbelievable the Hebrew words for soul have the same definition (also the same for the spirit).

We can do no works with respect to salvation.  If we do, it is self-righteousness.  But this is the gospel.  We are not talking about the gospel of the Kingdom.

The gospel is the Savior dying on the cross, shedding blood, arising as perfect (because He was sinless on earth) and ascending.  This is the foundation of everything that we access solely by faith and faith alone.  Jesus is the Savior; and this is the gospel.  But this is NOT the gospel of the Kingdom where Jesus is King.  In the Kingdom of Jesus there is another kingdom—the kingdom of the of the other god: Satan.  The god of this age (Satan) has blinded the minds of UNbelivers (not nonbelievers).  2 Corinthians 4:4.  World in 2 Corinthians is incorrect because this deals with god of time (age) vs. God of eternity—salvation.  World is the social order established by humans.  Satan is the ruler of the world as Jesus stated three time.  Satan is not the ruler of time—he is the god of time (this age).  Being removed from the world is the definition of sanctification where our 5 sense say no to the world system.  We are denying our souls and taking up our cross and following Him to the Father.  (The Greek language has numerous tenses but primarily two:  the perfect past tense: He was crucified, and the present active tense:  “And they that are Christ’s have crucified (are crucifying) the flesh with the affections and lusts.”  Galatians 5:24.  The requirement that we must be crucifying the flesh is NOT the gospel—it involves the gospel of the Kingdom.  We are either in Satan’s kingdom or the kingdom of Jesus (or God the Father).  To say a person is following the law when he is crucifying the flesh is wrong because this has to do with which Kingdom are we in:  Jesus or Satan.  Which do we follow as ruler and king (not Savior)?

BUT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION:

Ezekiel 3:20

20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 18:26

26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Zephaniah 1:1-10

1 The word of the Lord which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.

I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.

I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.

I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the Lord, and that swear by Malcham;

And them that are turned back from the Lord; and those that have not sought the Lord, nor enquired for him.

Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord’s sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king’s children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters’ houses with violence and deceit.

10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.

Some say that this is the Old Testament and does not apply.  Oh yes it does apply:

2 Peter 2:20-22 (talking about teachers and prophets who fell away)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world [being sanctified] through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Matthew 13:44-52.  A person who is not in the Kingdom of God will not go to heaven. (Some say what about the man on the cross next to Jesus.  Strange question because the man died immediately; and God is not a legalistic tyrant.)

Jesus is the Savior in the gospel–blood, cross and we believe only by faith (no work).  But in the gospel of the Kingdom Jesus is the King (not Savior).  The Kingdom involves the spirit, not the soul, and the breath not blood.  Being saved allows us to “see” the Kingdom and then grow in the Kingdom through breath–being removed from the world (sanctification), denying the desires of the soul and taking up our cross (not His cross but our cross) and following Him to the Father, dealing with demons, putting on the armor, keeping commandment from love and much other work.  We are chosen to go thru sanctification and when Jesus said that many are called but few are chosen it is because most refuse to continue going thru sanctification.  (Perseverance and overcoming is required.  Rev. 21:7; Hebrews 10: 36–notice endurance is needed so that when you have [when you have–must continue] done the will of God you MAY receive what was promised and what was promised is at Hebrews 9:15.)  Regarding being chosen for sanctification See 1 Peter 2.  Read it.  And then confirmation (and there are other verses) at 2 Thessalonians 13–“But we should always give thanks to God for you brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation THROUGH SANCTIFICATION by the Spirit [not the soul—breath] and faith in the truth.”  And finally false teachers and prophets are discussed at 2 Peter 2 and who they are clearly described at 2 Peter 2:20-22 (they fell away).  Sanctification is a process not an event.  Being born again is an event (due to forgiveness of past sins), which is the gospel, that allows us to SEE the Kingdom of God.  Hebrews 5:11-14 commands babies on milk to grow up (in the Kingdom) and one of the reasons is that they do not know the difference between good and evil.  Hebrews 6:1-2 commands to leave (grow up) the 6 elementary doctrines and then describes in verses 4-5 describes enlightened people who tasted the heavenly gift and made partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God and the powers of the coming age (these people were saved and WERE in the Kingdom of God) and then verse 6 says they fell away and it is impossible for them to be brought back to repentance.  The Greek word used for falling away in this verse is not used again anywhere in the New Covenant. It means a slow falling away.

Being initially saved relates to past sins only.  See 1 Cor. 15:1-2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (quoted above).

13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world [age]: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Matthew 13:24-30

24 Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:37-43

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world [age]; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world [age].

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom [cannot be in the Kingdom without the soul having been saved] all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them [that offend] into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

A person cannot untie his shoe if the shoe was not first tied.

If a person is an “nontier” of shoes, then he never tied any shoes.

A nonbeliever is not the same as an unbeliever.

A person cannot be an unbeliever if he was not first a believer.

A nonbeliever never believed.

For anyone who believes in the once saved always saved false doctrine look at Judas Iscariot.  Most will say that Judas was never saved.  That is not true.  Look at his situation:  “And they prayed and said, ‘You Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”‘

Yeshua/Jesus choose Judas for the ministry of Jesus and as an apostle.

And a person cannot “turn aside” unless he turned away from: The Lord’s ministry and from his being an apostle.  Judas became an unbeliever.  He was not a nonbeliever (never saved).  He became an Unbeliever.

The once saved always saved doctrine was refuted by three of Paul’s students–and MANY Scriptures in the Bible, which I have included in numerous papers that I have written over the past 20 plus years.  It is the most false doctrine I know.

The once saved always saved doctrine is a false theological doctrine.  A person cannot fall away unless he was first saved.  2 Peter 2:20-22 [2 Peter 2 is about false teachers; and they are the ones who fell away and became UNbelievers];  Hebrews 6:4-6; Ezekiel 18:24, 26; 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 and many, many more Scriptures.

Tell a pastor that who believes in this doctrine that it is false—from many, many Scriptures—and you will stir up a hornets nest.

Romans 8:1

1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

This verse apparently has no meaning for those under the once saved, always saved doctrine.  Because this man-made doctrine states that if one is really saved, then he will walk after the Spirit.  And this doctrine states if one was not really saved, then he will not walk after the Spirit.  So, this doctrine says that when one is first saved, that this is an event, condition and location: the event of first being saved causes the condition of always being saved.  In other words, the “location” of being saved was on that date in which one was first saved (and born again) that provided the condition of always being saved.   This is not what the Bible says and those who hold to this once saved, always saved doctrine do not know the difference in the soul and the spirit.

Romans 8:1 is just one of hundreds of warnings in the Bible—to believers (and believers must be saved and born again).  This verse clearly says “which are in Christ Jesus” but continues with “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”  I also remind you that the soul (will, intellect, emotions—the mind) is saved.  The soul is NOT the spirit.  The soul is in the blood.  Lev. 17:11.  The Spirit is in the breath, not the blood.  The spirit is NOT the soul.  The soul is of this age—time that is outside the realm of eternity.  The spirit involves no time—now, now, now and now.  The spirit is of eternity—outside the realm of time.

If you are saved and always saved, then why are there so many warnings to “brethren”?   And in order to fit Roman 8:1 in this false doctrine of once saved always saved, the verse must read as follows:  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WALK AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.”   That is NOT what Roman 8:1 says.

1 Corinthians 15:3

1Moreover, brethren [not sinners], I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Galatians 3:1-10

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched [witchcraft—evil-eyed] you, that ye should not obey the truth [obedience comes through being sanctified—1 Peter 1:2–those who are chosen]), before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you [read carefully because these people had the SPIRIT]?

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?  [their souls were saved but look at their spirits now]

Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

The above is included to show that saved people can come under withcraft.  (Isa Bajalia discuss this on my blog—Audio).  They were made to believe that they could earny their righteousness (gospel) and stopped going thru sanctification—see verse 1

Language is clear if one simply reads what it says and ONLY looks for further interpretation from Scripture but NOT MAN’S INTERPRETATION.  Many Scriptures interpret Romans 8:1, such as 2 Peter 2:20-22 (stating that false teachers in 2 Peter 2, are those who fell away) and also the following:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2

1 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”

Re: unless you have believed in vain: You cannot have believed in vain unless you first believed.  One cannot untie his shoe unless it was tied.  For those who say that this may mean that one always believed in vain, please read the verses again.  This is addressed to “Brethren” not unbelievers.  And it also says the those brethren both received and took their stand (with respect to the gospel).  Verse 2 clearly states that you re saved IF the conditions are met:  One keeps in memory (that is not an event of being saved but a continuous keeping in memory the gospel—death, burial and resurrection of Jesus); and if one does not keep this in memory then he will have believed in vain.

Much of man-made doctrine has to change the plain meaning of Scripture.  Man makes doctrine.  One can interpret Scripture only with other Scriptures. If no Scripture changes the plain meaning of a verse, then that verse means what it says.

As Derek Prince often stated:  Being initially saved allows one to be cleansed from all PAST sins (soul) by the blood and to be born again (spirit).  But being saved is not an event, condition or location.  Being saved is a process:

1.

Philippians 2:12

12 “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

2.

2 Thessalonians 2:13

13 “But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth”

Being saved is not an event, condition or location (except for the initial date of being saved so that one was born again) but a process in time (of this age).   When born again, one is a baby in the Christ.  And we are warned to grow up:

Hebrews 5:11-15

11 “Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”  If one remains a baby, he cannot know the difference in good and evil.  Remember this person was saved and born again.

And the consequence of failing to grow up:

Hebrews 6:1-6

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

And this will we do, if God permit.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Once saved, always saved is a false, man-made, theological doctrine.  Those who believe in this doctrine do not know the difference in the soul (of time—this age, which is outside the realm of eternity) and the spirit (of eternity, which is outside the realm of time and this age).   Time (this age) has a past, present and future.  Eternity (the spirit) has no past or future—it is only now.  We must be denying the soul (daily) and taking up our cross and following Him.  Luke 9:23.  This false doctrine says that those who are in the Kingdom, following the King, are self-righteous.  No!  Those in the Kingdom are warring against demons, curses, etc.  We are called to suffer for Christ.  Because He suffered in the flesh, arm your souls to also suffer in the flesh.  This is NOT the gospel; this is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!

Man had better deal with Romans where Paul states that many are called.  Next sentence:  many are predestined and called.  But Jesus threw a wrench into this statement.  Many are called but FEW ARE CHOSEN.  So man had better find out what that means—FROM THE SCRIPTURES, NOT WHAT MAN SAYS-

Richard Duke–Many are called but few are chosen. Audio

https://jrichardduke.wordpress.com/2015/12/13/788/

Those who go through sanctification—a process as the Greek words make clear.  And those who stop going through sanctification will be removed from the Kingdom of God.  Listen to the above because I quote the Scriptures.

Matthew 13:41-42.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom [cannot be in the Kingdom without the soul having been saved] all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them [that offend] into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Jude

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt [1 Corinthians 10], afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And the angels [have only spirits, not souls—yet they left God] which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Corinthians 10:1-12

10 Moreover, brethren [believers], I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown [the word is clear—they were okay initially] in the wilderness.

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play [having a great time—as David Wilkerson shows in his message*].

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

* David Wilkerson – Jezebel [False Doctrine]

https://jrichardduke.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/david-wilkerson-jezebel-false-doctrine/

To understand the Bible three things are required:  1. A person must understand the difference in the soul that is saved and the spirit that lives.  The soul is saved so that the spirit came alive from being born again.  2.  A person must understand the difference in the gospel—the Savior bore His cross, shed blood, died and was buried and arose for us so that we can believe by faith that He did this for us.  We can do nothing to earn salvation.  But the Kingdom involves following Jesus, not as Savior but as King—He is King of His Kingdom. We must work to stay in his Kingdom because Satan’s minions are working hard to get us into the kingdom of Satan, as the Bible warns and warns and warns.  3.  One must check for the meanings of Hebrew and Greek words because the English language is the worst language on earth to translate from Hebrew and Greek, I am told by language experts, including Derek Prince who spoke 4 languages.  Derek Prince, who passed away in 2002, was the last great Greek scholar on earth.  He was a master of the Greek language.

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